There are actually two instances of Talia commenting on Bruce’s relationship with Selina. First, I’ll link to scans of those scenes for context:
In both these scenes (the first written by Jeph Loeb and the second by Paul Dini), Talia shows a surprising respect for their relationship. In a way, she even seems to give it her blessing. She seems to acknowledge that Bruce actually does love Selina and that Selina loves him as well, and in both cases, she respectfully gives them both distance to carry on.
Later in Sirens, Talia changes her mind about trusting Selina, but not because she finds the woman herself untrustworthy; rather, she worries (in an arrogant, al Ghul way) that Selina’s incapable of fending off some of the mind-altering villains who might try to get Batman’s identity from her. (I wasn’t overly fond of that storyline, with the exception of Talia being surprisingly patient with Harley Quinn for some reason.)
Personally, I’d love to see Talia and Selina interact more. Count me amongst those who would read a Talia and Selina team-up.
(Note: There was an issue in the 80s in which Talia and Selina briefly interacted, but IIRC, Talia didn’t comment on the Bat/Cat relationship).
I know Talia’s epic pink suit is distracting, but omg look at what Selina’s saying.
I love that the movies have brought more attention to Talia and Ra’s, but I agree that it’s sad that, despite them existing for 41 years in the comics, it’s not until they appeared in a mainstream movie that people seemed to take notice of them. They’ve had such a prominent role in the comics that one would think they would have had ardent fans decades ago. The Joker and Catwoman certainly had fans prior to their appearances in major films.** It seems only natural that the al Ghuls should have had a similar following.
However, I do feel that the increased attention the al Ghuls have finally gotten might encourage DC to include them more. People complained about comics being oversaturated with Ra’s after Batman Begins and the Joker after The Dark Knight; I wouldn’t mind a few titles becoming oversaturated with Talia for a while.
(**I know they both appeared in the 60s Batman series and movie and in Tim Burton’s films, but a great deal of current fans weren’t around in the 60s, nor were many of them consuming comics and comics-related artifacts in the early 90s. Wow. Saying that just made me feel really old.)
My Talia and My Catwoman X3!!!
They hit me soon… XD
That time Talia didn’t need rescuing and Shiva and Selina failed to notice that.
How awesome is this team up?
Talia, Bruce, Jason and Selina.
This is an awesome thing.
20 YEARS AGO TODAY |6/19/92| Batman Returns, opens in theaters.
Why is this going on my blog?
Because Batman Returns was ridiculously important to me when I was little. I was very, very young when this movie came out, but I remember its release clearly. The trailers were, to a kid, dark and scary. But more notable than that was Catwoman.
Other girls were wrapped up in fantasies of being Disney princesses. After Batman Returns, I wanted to be Catwoman. She was cool. She wore black. She had a kickass costume. And she sure as shit didn’t wait for a prince to rescue her. Nope. In fact, Catwoman even scolded another woman for doing just that. She was dangerous and beautiful and altogether different from so many of the female characters I’d seen that I thought she was just the most amazing thing.
My parents, supportive of my comics love (my dad got me into them, after all), bought me a T-shirt with a huge image of Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman on it. I wore it until it got holes in it. On the playground, I wanted to play characters like Catwoman, if not Catwoman herself. Nothing could convince me that she wasn’t the best “princess” of them all.
I wasn’t exactly the cool kid. But neither was Selina. And she literally ripped up what society expected her to be, put some white thread through it, grabbed a whip and dared anyone to challenge her. Not a bad role model for a little girl at all.
Talia is now my favorite DC character and has been for some time, but, lacking the 70s comics when I was a small thing, I couldn’t have become so fascinated by her if I hadn’t first become a fan of Selina.
So I’m taking a brief moment here to salute this film on its 20th anniversary.
This summer, Catwoman will be returning to the big screen for the first time in 20 years. Here’s hoping that other young girls are as inspired by her as I was.
(Also - armed penguins. What’s not to love about battle penguins?)
The Dark Knight Rises - TV Spot #2 “Catwoman”
[ I actually like the idea of Selina and Talia hanging out. ]
Agreed. I could totally get behind a Talia and Selina mini.
In short, yawn. But Adriana Melo’s cool.
Omg one of my favorite non-comics Tumblrs posted this!
Sorry, got excited at the combination.
This was such a great scene. Too bad they apparently decided that Talia should be a douche about it later.