Yes, my darlings.
holy shit so fucking true.
Whatever people feel about Nolan and his trilogy, I feel that it has to be admitted that he worked the whole thing together very artfully. It’s like every moment of TDKR ties into something that happened previously or later.
I’ve got some lovely Death and the Maidens scans coming up on this queue in a couple of hours, courtesy of wonderful Ra’s al Ghul roleplayer youmaynowpanic, so I thought I would preface them with this. The relation between it and TDKR might be obvious to some people — in fact, when the reveal first happened, for a moment I thought Miranda might be Nyssa, not Talia, given the similarities in their origins (I do not count that sentence as a spoiler B| ).
TW: mentions of rape, torture.
Spoiler warning: TDKR spoilers
Costume designer Lindy Hemming reveals a cut scene from TDKR, featuring a younger Bane. Something for the DVD, I hope! I’d love to see this.
So one of the fundamental things about [Bane’s] costume is that he has this scar from the back injury. Even if he hasn’t got the bulletproof vest on, he still has to wear the waist belt and the braces. In that scene in the prison, where he’s learning to fight the same way Batman learned to fight, he’s wearing an early version of his waist belt. It’s showing support, but it’s not the finished one he eventually wears. He’s also wearing an early version of his gas mask, all glued together.
Well, if you look at the film, unless they’ve cut it—and I’m sure they haven’t—there’s a whole early section for Tom Hardy where he’s fighting and being taunted by people. He’s got chains on him, and he’s standing on a wooden thing while people are attacking him. And in that scene, he’s wearing a much more ragged, primitive version of the mask.
I won’t elaborate on it too much, because it isn’t in the film, but there was another section that showed you why he had the mask and where it came from.
You had me at chains.
But seriously. I spoke to my parents last night because they finally saw the movie. They have no knowledge of the history of Bane in the comic books or whatever and like I suspected my mom said “I have no idea why he was wearing that breathing apparatus”. THANK YOU.
I understand that the one doctor in the prison said “he wears the mask to manage the pain”, but I mean, that sounds like Bane has fibromyalgia, not that HE PRETTY MUCH CANNOT SURVIVE without it. Yes “it would be very painful…for you” is another hint, but in a movie that’s over two and a half hours long and features this character and his face and this mask for A HUGE PERCENTAGE OF THE MOVIE, I think movie goers are owed a little more backstory.
I was angry that we learned most about Bane through Alfred and Talia and the doctor in the Prison. There was very little revealed about Bane FROM Bane and that’s a big critique I have of the movie. I would have sat through another HOUR of it if we could have seen a bit more of his life in the prison, not only as a child, but how about training with the league of shadows? What was his reaction to being excommunicated?
I’d love it if these scenes were on the DVD. I mean, if they shot them, let’s see ‘em.
Whyyy would you cut that, argh.
DAMNIT, NOLAN, PUT THIS IN THE DVD.
I understand that not everyone is fond of Talia/Bane. The characters’ tags are quite full of shipping right now due to interpretations of the film, and I’m sure it’s little hard to avoid, and probably will be until the TDKR fervor dies down a bit.
For some who are completely new to the characters, I’m sure the pairing will lose its appeal once they learn more about what happened in the comics. Or maybe it won’t. I am sure, though, that Talia/Bruce will pick up steam again as more new fans discover their comics relationship.
Here’s the thing, as I see it: the comics and the Nolanverse are two completely separate entities, and always have been. Comics Bruce wasn’t trained by Ra’s. Rachel Dawes never existed in the comics. Comics Joker isn’t responsible for making Harvey Dent Two-Face. Much in the same way that some comics stories are classified as “alternate universe/AU” or “Elsworld”, the Nolanverse is distinctly separate from the comics.
While I’m a Talia/Bruce shipper, as I’ve said before, I do support the Talia/Bane pairing in the Nolanverse. If Nolan wants to make Bane not-a-rapist, that’s so freakin’ totally okay with me. I find the pairing interesting, and since I’m a fan of both characters and hated it when Bane took that horrible turn with her, I fully approve of removing the rape element and recreating their relationship entirely.
Nolan didn’t give her quite enough attention, I’ll agree with you there. I think he tried to downplay her role too much so the reveal would be bigger — but since he went too far, the reveal wasn’t as dramatic as it could have been.
However, Talia’s first mainstream appearance means more people will be aware of her, and more people will come to like her, and more people will want to see her in other stuff — be that comics, animated series, live action stuff, or even the upcoming (again) Batman reboot. We may yet get to see her character explored in something.
This post is probably going to say the opposite of what a lot of others are saying, so I’m sorry for any surprises.
Heavy on the spoilers after the cut.
Bald Joey King as young Talia Al Ghul.
Hmm. That’s not how I expected the Daughter of the Demon to be dressed as a child, but I can live with it. Given those clothes, though, I think it just became painfully obvious that Bane is working with the League.
I know. I’m just feeling cynical about the whole thing lately, since I’ve been hoping to see Talia. The TV spots are focusing so much on Selina that it’s made me nervous that I could actually be wrong about Talia being Miranda.
Maybe it’s because I’ve been rather cynical about shit in general lately, but I’m starting to think that Miranda Tate really might not be Talia. True, there’s the costume, but I could see Nolan making an original character who happens to have a League/Bane affiliation rather than bringing Talia into it. If that’s the case, then it’s likely that the Ra’s stuff (with Josh Pence and Liam Neeson) is related to Bane’s upbringing, not Miranda’s.